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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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He 'broke down' when he was reading the message he wrote about feeling that everything was pointless

He'd make for a poor poker player because I saw that coming from a mile away.

Generally speaking when you are conjuring up an emotional breakdown on camera, one does NOT want to give up the ghost that one is well on the way,

Lloyd: "Uhm, this is going to be hard to read... uhm, because..."

He was priming the pump for tears, because as a psychopath, tears do not come easily and only then when he is speaking about something he himself finds upsetting.

The fact that he visibly struggled for tears over alleged suicidal feelings leads me to believe they weren't even there and that WhatsApp text he was quoting from was in itself a play for attention and sympathy.

If those suicidal feelings were real he would have struggled to STOP the sobbing. Instead he could only manage a few brief bursts and lifted his finger so he could look at how his performance was going down in the live chat.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

I can totally see him going back to Thailand and doing a “Return to Thailand” mini-documentary. Nothing pleases a narcissist more than demonstrating everyone how wrong they are. Look for footage with elephants, eating at nice restaurants, scuba diving, beach combing and him “interviewing” locals such as the tour guide about how racist the connection between Thailand and sex tourism is and how much more it has to offer. Also look for the pity piece where he revisits the site of where he supposedly contemplated suicide.

That whole “feeling suicidal in Thailand” angle never felt right to me, especially when you consider how blatant and hurtful his behaviour was before that. He was doing what he wanted! He was there for two months, he wasn’t hiding anything anymore and even made the wife buy him condoms as an exclamation point and an added fuck you. He had the entire exJW community in shock and eager to please him. At 890 patrons he had more than enough to live there for two months and still keep the family in Sisak fed.

Suicide doesn’t fit in with this narrative. I think he threw that in there so everyone would feel sorry for him, encourage him to stay longer and enjoy himself.

He had his wife on the ropes so he thought. In the letter to her he even quoted her as saying that when he returns he would have a home. He was fully enabled and getting away with it. What else could he have wanted?

If the suicidal thoughts were real, they would have occurred AFTER the 12 January 2022 letter where the wife stated she wanted a divorce. Not on New Years when he had still thought he had successfully duped everyone into thinking he needed this for “mental health”.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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That is definitely a hotel room.

Also a fresh dye job and a slight reddish tan on his face indicating that he recently had seen some sunlight.

For my Final Jeopardy answer - “What is a Hooker holiday?”.

That would explain why he hasn’t released a video in two weeks. 1.8K views, 189 likes and less than 20 comments.

Doing great, Lloyd. Keep it up.

Edited to add: I found this blog at random. Very interesting read:

https://theartistryofglorifiedbullshit.uk/2022/11/09/lloyd-evans-ex-cult-member-seeking-unquestioning-followers/

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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Tried to share but nvm. I can get the link but she has disabled sharing on other media.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

This is Lloyd's real problem: he's past his "sell by" date. All he can do is recycle what others are saying.

When he first happened upon this forum, he made a lot out of the fact that he was still technically a JW and under no restrictions other than his meeting attendance being very poor and he didn't work in the ministry. That was his selling point - a fader who was coming to these truths in real time and offering his fresh perspective from the "inside". He would also weaponise this, often repeating his tiring mantra of "as a recently faded JW, I would go back to the Kingdom Hall if I came across you!". His shtick worked so well for him that he drug it out as long as he could, still keeping "John Cedars" as a pseudonym for a couple years, openly worrying about elders discovering his activities, giving updates on his progress getting his wife out, the DA process and Judicial Committee, etc.

Lloyd, this is my business background speaking. Your business model is dead, it's time to go do something else. All you have is leftovers.

At this point all he has to offer is advice coming from a man who was last active in the JWs 13 years ago. This is why he's failing. Like you said, at round 10 or so years you were more or less a WT historian. That's roughly the point he is at right now, and with all these changes with the religion in the works, all he can do is report on it and compare with how he remembered it over 13 years ago. There's a new crop coming out of the organisation who can actually give fresher and more accurate insight into how JWs work than Lloyd can. And several already have, and not coincidentally they have more views than him.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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Also shows the outright stupid of his patrons at this point; his page says "I aim to put out an average of 1 or 2 videos per week."

This is not sustainable. What that tells you is that people are largely supporting him based upon reputation alone (really the reputation he wants people to see, not the reality). What kept his business empire growing before were the steady flow of ex JW recruits, many of whom are now finding lesser and lesser content and thus are seeking other creators. It also hurts his YT paid subs since they are directly supporting his work on YT rather than general activism on Patreon.

He's far from being the main show in town as before. In fact he's just a mid level creator at this point. The buzz about his channel is fading and the newbies are being exposed to other creators who are not always asking for your money in the blatant way he does. His monetisation methods are finished as people are discovering that it is possible to make these videos in your spare time.

Happens all the time in the secular YT world. Someone has a nice go, gathers a lot of support and followers, but someone else happens upon the scene with fresh eyes and does a way better job of it and with better enthusiasm.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

My personal favourite was the entire passage about M&K's daughter and how he took umbrage at being called obsessed with her. And he was - he posted the entire Facebook msgr exchange where he kept going at her and wouldn't leave her alone.

Vintage Lloyd - He publicly details a planned rebuttal video mocking her, and in doing so mocks her, but then congratulates himself for never making it because she (according to him) suffered from depression and suicidal thoughts. Could be best summarised this way: "I think you are ridiculous and unattractive and I was going to make a video about it, but I didn't because I was afraid you'd kill yourself"

Great guy,

Also this:

Dijana also can't help but feel enraged when she sees her picture (taken from our translation company website), being shared around on Facebook "hate Cedars" groups, the members of whom then speculate that she is the victim of an oppressive, abusive husband.

This aged well. Looks like those folks from the "hate Cedars" groups were dead-on. An oppressive, abusive husband - he managed to prove everyone right and I think she knew it then, but was afraid to say anything lest it set him off on one of his rants and depression/suicide threats.

That's a recurring theme in all this - his supposed struggle with depression and flirtations with suicide. Recently he's claimed that exJW activism "nearly killed me", heavily implying that his scandal that he was 100% at fault for led him to the brink. I have reason to doubt this. This has been his go-to method to garner sympathy and he's returned to it time and time again over the years.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Read the thread, interesting names that he called 5/7th of the M7

His choice of “defendants” has been very selective, as if he’s more interested in settling old scores.

What’s often lost in the entire COC debacle is the fact that Arthur Weber confirmed by email that bootlegging COC and selling copies was a “business arrangement” between him and Lloyd.

In true Lloyd fashion, he also admitted that he had three different translations ready for publication. That’s a 500-600 page book and no easy task to translate. Thinking he was coming across as the hero, he actually gave up his entire game.

So what happened was these 5 people (actually 4 - Cora’s crime was and is being married to Marc) sabotaged Lloyd’s plan to enrich himself by usurping the copyright on COC, selling copies not only in English but in other languages as well.

Per usual, Lloyd would have done absolutely nothing whilst others would work voluntarily to translate into other languages. Putting JWSurvey on the back wasn’t Arthur’s idea. It was deliberately placed there so as to promote himself.

He’s been seething for years (since 2015) about this and is holding these people responsible for him losing out on all the money he planned to make on the COC scheme. It wasn’t a one-off where he only sought to print a few copies for his friends as he claimed. He noticed the clamour for copies as they were going for $100 or more and wanted to corner the market.

He would have earned at least in the tens of thousands and probably 100s of thousands if left unchecked. Probably more than Ray had even earned off of his work.

That’s not even counting the surge of donations as he ticked off all the phony costs he had incurred in publishing.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

Las Malvinas son Argentinas

Haven't been served any documents yet.

How were the screenshots of the docs obtained? I saw the one for Cora and another for Jonathan Burger.

So they were not sent by mail as Lloyd was hinting at? You source those through your lawyer?

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

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uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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This does not appear to be written for the court.

Not trying to intentionally play Devil’s advocate here, but there is also reason to believe that Lloyd Evans is deluded enough to think this has a chance at success.

Consider the source.

This is coming from a severely damaged and emotionally retarded middle aged man who not too long ago was hitting up Instagram models and inviting them for coffee when they passed through Zagreb. That wasn’t a parody account. He locked it soon after his simping comments were plastered all over here.

And who could forget that god-awful pic at Warwick where he cropped out Mark O’Donnell and used it to sneak into a London dating meetup and tried to poach paying clients?

If that pic hadn’t been in front of a lake and hills and instead been on an inner city street, it would have made for an excellent stock photo for people who googled “homeless man”.

And he thought women would be attracted by it.

This is a guy who bootlegged not just any book, but Ray Franz’s book and reasoned that it was legal because the copyright owner hadn’t returned his email.

This is a man who thought that admitting he had been seeing prostitutes for 3-4 years was an effective way to ward off suggestions he had been in Thailand doing just that.

His problem is he has lived in a bubble for so long, never having to face real consequences for his actions until recently. His behaviour has been enabled and covered up by his dad, his wife, exJWs and now his remaining financial backers.

He thinks he’s going to win. When he doesn’t, he’ll try somewhere else.